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#3849
New experiment with an old technique 2 Years, 4 Months ago  
After reading several books on how it used to be done, and pondering patternmaking on a few difficult-to-cast items, I decided to experiment with an old technique this past weekend, and I am fairly impressed with the results so far.
The old technique is using what are known as "sweeps" to form parts or the whole of a pattern for a sand mold(amongst other things). It was considered a quick and cheap method of patternmaking for certain items. I have been working on a traditional pattern for a blower case and was (still am, I WILL finish the damn thing) not too impressed with both the pace of completion and the quality of the pattern. A light dawned that this may be a good application for sweeps. So a little mental organization and brain sweat later this is what I came up with.

That's the pattern set for a 10" blower housing. Both halves. Took me all of an hour and a half to lay it out and cut it. And no, it doesn't look like much, but it works suprizingly well. Here's how it works. The first thing I did was to fill both the cope and drag like I was making a normal mold, just leaving out the pattern. This establishes the parting plane and makes sure there won't be runout between the halves. I separated them and set the cope aside for the moment. I then swept up the core on the drag half. I set the outline in place and clamped it so it woudn't move. I had to add sand to make the raised core so I riddled a pile on and packed it by hand. I then went around and around with the first core sweep, carving out the shape of the core:


After cleaning this up, I set the drag aside and started on the cope half.I set the outline on and dug out the majority of the excess sand with a spoon. I then set to work with the outer sweep and not too much later this is what I arrived at:



In the bottom pick you can see that I cut the ingate and sprue, had to do it rather directly, I didn't have much room left in the flask. After removing the outline, I cleaned up the cope a bit, and set it on the drag, melted some aluminum, and poured.

And wouldn't ya friggin know it, I didn't melt enough. Short pour. Took a lot more than I thought it would. DOH!!! However, it definately proved it was a viable technique. What did come out of the sand was 80% of what I had hoped for, the wall thickness was very even, and no warping, the surface finish was rough but I was expecting that. I don't have any more pics of the failed casting, my poor old foundry camera died about then. Time for a replacement. I'm going to try again in the next few days, I already have the other side molded up, just have to have a bit of time to do it. I'll try to post pics if the camera cooperates.
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#3851
Re:New experiment with an old technique 2 Years, 4 Months ago  
That looks really good OddDuck, I need a big blower like that. Can you use the same sweeps for the other half, I'm guessing you just turn it over and do it backwards?
Time for a bigger crucible!!!
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Re:New experiment with an old technique 2 Years, 4 Months ago  
That is a really neat technique!

Thanks for sharing
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#3854
Re:New experiment with an old technique 2 Years, 4 Months ago  
definetly a cool technique!! I see alot of possibilities, thanks for the eye opener
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Re:New experiment with an old technique 2 Years, 4 Months ago  
Thanks guys. I see a lot of possibilities as well, A1. And yes, Jammer, it can be used for both sides, all you have to do is flip the outline over on the second mold. I labeled both sides A and B, and I start out doing the core on both, so on the first I did side a, then flipped to side B for the cope, and on the second mold I started with B and flipped it to A. It is a bit tricky to remember, but heck, if you are making patterns you probably have a pretty good head for this kind of stuff anyways.
I got the first half re-molded today, and noticed a flaw in my outline, and was able to correct it without changing the patterns. Then I re-opened the second mold and corrected that one as well. Gotta make myself a full set of slicks and spoons, now, this is kind of fun. I'm going to pour them tomorrow, ran out of time today.
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Re:New experiment with an old technique 2 Years, 4 Months ago  
excellent odduck! ive been doing that sort of thing for a while now. i didnt know it actually was a oldtime foundry methods.mostly i use it to get a rough item and clean it up as a pattern.
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Re:New experiment with an old technique 2 Years, 4 Months ago  
Thanks XL. The nice thing about this method is that it is repeatable. And it works! I poured today and darned me if it does work a ot better when you use enough metal.



The surface texture is a little rough, but the one that I had previously cast and remolded is the smoother of the two, so it may be technique sensitive. I spent a little more time smoothing that one up, and it did turn out better. The thing in the center is the impeller, I am going to make sheet metal paddles instead of trying to cast them. That way i can use the same impeller for different sized blowers. Now just a little cleanup work and they will be just fine.
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Re:New experiment with an old technique 2 Years, 4 Months ago  
Looks good!
How much does each half weigh?
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Re:New experiment with an old technique 2 Years, 4 Months ago  
Thanks, Jammer. They weigh more than they should, I think I have to make a few tweaks to the outer sweep, I may have layed it out a bit wrong, the curved portion and the flange is about 1/4", but the face is about 1/2" thick. I found this out when I broke up the failed one for re-melting. This one will work fine, and it's all to the good because I am going to be mounting a motor to one side, a little extra thickness won't hurt. The one with the lettering should have the opening for the air inlet on it, you can see the depression I made for it, but the core didn't reach all the way through.
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Re:New experiment with an old technique 2 Years, 4 Months ago  
Update, I finished the blower (and forgot to take pics of the process, sorry...) and installed it in the new forge. I am now Odd Duck & Son Foundry and Forge. My son is happy, he can now whack on red hot metal, and I have one more thing to hold over his head if his grades drop... Pics:

The blower installed in the forge, I also lost foam cast the flange for the air pipe and the mounting bracket.
And proof that it does blow air:

Got the steel to sparking hot in no time.
I am going to draw up plans sometime soon and post them here for anyone who wants to try this, works pretty slick. Just to tease, I also figured out how to use this method to build the shell and impeller for a roots blower. I hope to have something cast by the end of the week. I'll post progress as I go!
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