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#1951
Re:thermite furnace 2 Years, 10 Months ago  
xlchainsaw wrote:
i will start by mixing a bit up . i think it time for me to slowly build up experience handling the stuff. im taking it for granted that you have made and used copper thermite!!but one question we asked here. can brass be made into a thermite???a couple of members here have been playing with their furnaces and have suffered melt down!! they think as i do that they hit the "thermite" button accidently because extra high heat and sparks were noted above usual.both have been melting brass and aluminium regulary.they think as i do that some brass was in the bottom of the fire and some aluminium dripped on it and mixed .....coupled with high heat ....ignition!!!!!!!??????
An exothermic reaction can happen in the most unexpected places. Ive seen it on a grinding wheel once. Someone, (not me), loaded it up with aluminum, and then hogged out a piece of steel...
It *may* not be a thermite reaction, but reactive metals in the alloy (?) burning up. They put lots of stuff in brass now a days.
There are several different thermite mixtures. If I find a link, I'll put it up, showing some exotic mixes.
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#1953
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ive had discussions with the wife (minister of workshop activities)and she has given the green light. actually she is the scientist and im only the grunt! without her input i dont think i would be having the success im having.
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#1955
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xlchainsaw wrote:
ive had discussions with the wife (minister of workshop activities)and she has given the green light. actually she is the scientist and im only the grunt! without her input i dont think i would be having the success im having.

Sweet!
I can't wait to see another member of the the 5000 degree club, (unofficial, mui Macho, white hot, exothermic metal casters club. *tongue-in-cheek*)

Anyway, please let me know if I can be of assistance in any way.
Sounds like you married an extraordinary woman
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#1957
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Great video, I could just see my neighbors face if I lit one up like that.

You burst my bubble, I've got tons of Iron Oxide that's about 95% Fe2O3. It's black like Graphite. It's the scale that forms on billets as they cool, comes off in 5" squ. sheets and I pulverize it in a small ball mill in the lab. I've saved up several pound of it and now you say I need the red stuff.
Is the black good for anything? I also have about 20# of Mg. It's in 1/4" sheets. I can get FeMn, SiMn, FeSi, Dolomite and High Cal lime, in limited amounts, depending on how my boss feels at the time. I've been playing with cast iron and raising the Si in Aluminum. I also have Fluorspar if anyone needs a pound or two to play with.
Your Steel is very interesting. I'm no metalurgist either, I'm just the monkey that runs the Spectrometer.
Our metalurgist is an idiot.
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#1958
Re:thermite furnace 2 Years, 10 Months ago  
Jammer, build a Japanese-style Tatara steel smelting furnace and make a sword. They use black iron bearing sand, mayhap the black oxide you have is similar. What the heck, what's one more project?
Jerry, pretty incredible, but something tells me that building a new furnace every time you fire it up won't catch on. Also, the frantic 911 calls by the neighbors when someone fires off a three or four hundred pound charge to cast an anvil will tend to keep down the recidivism rate.
Over at the ABYMC (Association of Backyard Metalcasters, www.abymc.com ) some have started a thread (I think it went some 64 or so pages) on experiments with thermite for different applicatons, their goal was at first silicon production for the backyard chemist.
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#1959
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That may have been their goal to start. It seemed to turn into a rather Heated Dicussion for the most part. That thread right there was the main reason I never joined that group.
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#1960
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It's too bad, really. Not much has been going on there for a while now. I check it every so often but nothing much ever comes up.
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basically my idea isnt to produce metal from thermite but to use it as a heat source to melt metal in a crucible. some of our neighbours are into making fireworks (illegal) and letting them off! so a bit of thermite wont hurt ! i guess it appeals to older people as we grew up with fireworks.my eldest (30) child has never seen "domestic" fireworks in her life altho i did save some skyrockets for over 25 yrs and let my kids let them off!!
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You burst my bubble, I've got tons of Iron Oxide that's about 95% Fe2O3. It's black like Graphite. It's the scale that forms on billets as they cool, comes off in 5" squ. sheets and I pulverize it in a small ball mill in the lab. I've saved up several pound of it and now you say I need the red stuff.
It has to do with the extra oxygen atom. A friend of mine re-created my thermite using the black. he didn't get one speck of iron. The slag was not even magnetic. it burned great though.
I'm just the monkey that runs the Spectrometer.
Pull up a chair and be my friend. Seriously, can you do some gov't work without getting in trouble? I've got barter (I bet you get that a lot here).

Jerry, pretty incredible, but something tells me that building a new furnace every time you fire it up won't catch on. Also, the frantic 911 calls by the neighbors when someone fires off a three or four hundred pound charge to cast an anvil will tend to keep down the recidivism rate.
Actually, I reuse my crucibles several times, (usually). The lid, on the other hand, gets fused to the crucible by the slag. You lose a little capacity, as there is a layer of thermite slag, but this helps to bolster the crucible, and is a great refractory in of itself. You might have to re ream the tap hole though, and use new flower pots, but that's no biggie.
That may have been their goal to start. It seemed to turn into a rather Heated Dicussion for the most part. That thread right there was the main reason I never joined that group.
That's a shame. I signed up for that forum and followed thier directions, but never got activated.
One thing that I loath though, is a self proclaimed "forum guru". If I ever come of as that, or fragile egotism, kick me in the rears. This place seems very different from that though.

basically my idea isnt to produce metal from thermite but to use it as a heat source to melt metal in a crucible. some of our neighbours are into making fireworks (illegal) and letting them off! so a bit of thermite wont hurt ! i guess it appeals to older people as we grew up with fireworks.my eldest (30) child has never seen "domestic" fireworks in her life altho i did save some skyrockets for over 25 yrs and let my kids let them off!!
That's what I use it for. The real high heat refractory alloys. You can even use it for making "ferro chems" out of pure elemntal forms for conventional melting/alloying.

You need to have an antechamber or put the chems in a HOT crucible, as *most* chems will burn up if you put them directly in the charge. You also need to allow for off gassing. You can always remelt the ingot to get rid of any bubbles.
Please keep us posted.

EDIT: I thought I would post a couple of pics, if you havent seen them, of part of my furnace and crucible. I use 2 flower pots, with the inner one's bottom cut out. I like the resistance to cracking due to extreme thermal shock of this design.
Notice I have a pie crust, rounded lip. This allows the liner to shrink, without cracking and protects the flower pots from the hellish thermite flame. You can see the lid, which I don't spend much time on as it gets dbroken anyway. Remember to always recycle you refractory. It gets better with time. I have an old blender I run the broken stuff through. Use a plastic pitcher though. Pack the charge as you go. This is essential for a good, slow, hot burn.
xlchainsaw, you can see one of my 2 melt doors in the bottom. I bring it to your attention as it's from your part of the world. A piece of the Henbury meteorite I used as double duty for a ferro nickel source.


How do you make that picture bigger?
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